A wannan tattaunawa da wakilinmu ya yi da sabon zababben Shugaban kungiyar ma’aikatan tsaftar muhalli ta kasa, Sanitarian Jamilu Sha’aibu, ya bayyana mana irin ayyukan da suke yi a kungungiyar, inda ya bayyana cewa babban aikinsu shi ne tabbatar da tsaftataccen muhalli a wurin al’umma don kauce wa kamuwa da wasu cututtukan da kazanta ke haifarwa. Ga dai yanda hirar ta kasance da Muhammad Ibrahim.
Da farko zamuso ka gabatar mana da suna da matsayi.a wannan Kungiya
Sunana Sanitarian Jamilu Sha’aibu, Shugaban Kungiyar Masu kula da Tsaftar muhalli ta kasa, wato ‘Enbironmental Health Officers Association of Nigeria.EHOAN’.
Mane ne muhimmin aikin wannan kungiya taku?
To aikin wannan kungiya kamar dai sauran kungiyoyi, wanda suka shafi ma’aikatan gwamnati da masu zaman kansu, mu jami’ai ne na kiwon lafiya. Abin da muka sa a gaba a wannan kungiya shi ne tabbatar da dukkan mambobinmu sun yi aikinsu kamar yadda ya kamata a tsarin doka.Wannan kuma duk abin da ya ke hakkin su ne a wurin gwamnati ko al’umma ko wani shugaba na wata ma’aikata mai zaman kanta, ya zama mun yi iya kokarimmu na ganin cewa ba a shiga hakkin mambobinmu ba, suna ba ma barinsu su shiga hakkin wadansu, domin sha’anin aiki wani abu ne da ke bukatar kyakkyawar alaka tsakanin mutum da kuma mutane.
Kuma wani lokacin ma’aikaci zai iya wuce gona da iri, ko kuma ya yi abin da bai dace ba tunda akwai abin da ake kira “Professional ethic”in ya yi abin da ya saba wa wannan abin, kungiya ba ta barinsa haka, kuma idan aka yi wa dan kungiyar abin da bai dace ba, shi ma kungiya ba ta barinsa.
Wannan shi ne babban abin da muka sa a gaba a kungiyance, amma mafi a’ala da ya fi zama mun maida hankali sosai akai shi ne yadda za mu iya samar da muhallin da zai baiwa al’umma zama lafiya da karewa daga dukkan cututtukan da ke iya yaduwa tsakanin mutum da mutum, domin mu a matsayin kwarewarmu na horo da muka samu a makarantu na matakai daban-daban, wannan kungiya tamu tana da wadanda suka yi karatu tun daga matakin Satifiket har kan shehunnan kwararru muna da su, mutane ne wanda muna da ilimi mataki-mataki.
Abin da muka fi maida hankali akai shi ne, tabbatar da cewa mun samar da muhallin da zai baiwa al’umma lafiya da zaman lafiya, wanda al’umma ba za su taba kasancewa masu lafiya ba sai idan suna zaune a ingantaccen muhalli, domin muhalli shi ne kashin bayan zaman lafiya, domin duk wata cuta da ke yaduwa ko tsakanin mutum da mutum, ko tsakanin mutum da dabba, yana da alaka da muhalli, kuma cututtuka da mu ke fama da su, kashi 70 cikin 100 a wannan nahiyar tamu ta Afirka gaba daya, cututtuka ne wadanda sukan iya yaduwa, kuma ana iya karesu.
Saboda haka jami’ammu su ne kashin bayan harkar lafiya a Duniya, ba ma a Nijeriya ko Afirka ba. Domin su ne suke iya wayar da kan mutane, su ne suke iya yin duk wasu matakai wanda da su mutane su kare kansu daga hadarin kamuwa daga cututtuka, musamman cututtuka wanda suke masu hadarin gaske da jama’a suke jin tsoro, kamar cututtuka irinsu Ibola ko kuma yanzu muna maganar Korona, da za ka ga jami’anmu suna cikin na gaba-gaba da suke iya tunkarar wannan cuta da kuma masu cutar su suke daukansu su yi musu abin da ake kira ‘Decontamination; ko ‘Disinfection’.
Tun yaushe aka kafa wannan kungiya?
Wannan kungiya dai a wannan shekara ta 2020, shekararta 52 ke nan, saboda Nuwamba din nan ne aka yi bukin cika shekara 52 da kafata a matakin kasa ke nan gaba daya, amma wannan kungiya ta fara ne tun kusan 1938, in ban manta ba, aka farata a kasar nan.
Sboda wannan karatun namu an fara shi ne a nan Nijeriya a 1925, ya fara a Kudu a jihar Legas, sannan ya gangaro a 1929 aka zo aka yi shi a Ibadan aka fara horar da mutane ke nan a kan wannan karatun mamu, wannan a 1932 ya tafi Kudu maso Yamma, sannan kuma aka kafata a 1933, aka zo jihar Kano aka kuma kafa irin wannan makarantar a nan. To bayan wajen shekara biyar, daga 1933 zuwa 1938 wadanda suka yi wannan karatun suka yi tunanin kafa kungiya, duk da dai ba wai sun yi mata rajista ba ne, amma a tsarin abin da muka gani, to wannan kungiya a bana ta kai shekara 52 a matsayin tsarin kafuwarta a kasa gaba daya.
A matakin jahar Kano fa?
Eh kusan abin tare yake tafiya kamar yadda na fada in ka kalli shi al’amarin za ka ga ai jihar Kano ta shigo tarihin abin tunda har an zo nan an kafa daga wannan makarantar tamu da ake kira “school of hygiene Kano” a shekarar 1932 za ka gane cewa tun daga wancan lokacin ne watakila ban tabbatar ba, amma cikin ire-iren mutanen da suka yi wannan makaranta suna daga cikin wadanda suka kirkiri wannan kungiya kuma ina ganin zai yiahala su kirkireta a kasa ba tareda sunyi wani abu a jaha ba domin a wancan lokacin a cikin tarihinda Mike bi akwai Sani mutum Wanda shi danwancan bangaren ne sunan sa Alhaji Muhammad Kazaure daya taba zama ya kai wani mataki na kasa a cikin wannan kungiyar tamu hakan yana nuna ke nan jahar Kano ashe ta dade da samun kafuwar wannan kungiyar kuma yana cikin wannan tsari
A matsayinka na wanda ka zama shugaban wannan kungiya yanzu da wanne mataki ka fara gwagwarmayar wannan kungiya har kazo shugabancin ta na koli?
To gaskiya zan iya cewa na fara kungiya tun daga “ordinary member wato mamba dan kungiya kawai ba kowa bane shi” kuma daga nan na fara Shiba cikin shugabanni na jaha a matakin ma’aji bayan nan wa’adin ya kara sai nayi mataki na sakatare a matakin jahar Kano bayan na yi wannan daga baya na tafi nayi takara Wanda aka zabeni a Bauchi na zama sakatare na kasa baki daya kuma bayan na gama shine yanzu kuma na kuma yin takara ta zama shugaban wannan kungiya na kasa gaba daya kuma Allah ya bamu nasara.
Wannan ya nuna ke nan tunda kake tsayawa takara a wannan kujera baka taba rasa kujerar ba?
Eh, gaskiya ne tunda nake tsayawa takara ban taba rasa kujera ba.
To wane sirri ne ya baka wannan nasarar?
Babu wani sirri akan al’amarin da Allah ya kaddara ne kawai idan Allah ya kaddara abu zai faru to sai ya farun, kuma a matsayin mu na yan’adam muna nuna yin daidai gwargwadon abinda muke ganin shi ne ya dace watakila wannan yana cikin abinda al’umma suke gani suke bamu dama idan mun nema muka ci gaba da tafiya har muka kawo wannan matsayin na matakin shugaba na kasa gaba daya. Hakan ba zai rasa alaka da nadamar yadda Allah ya kaddara haka ne zai faru, to amma tafiyar da muka yi tana da alaka da su al’umma suke ganin musamman wadannan mambobi basu irin.gudummuwar da muke bayarwa ta abinda muke yi watakila shi ne suke ganin mun cancanci su bamu wannan aron damar har Allah ya kawomu matsayin da muke akai yanzu.
Kasancewa daga Kano aka soma kuma tana bukatar kulawarka wane shiri kake dashi domin ta zama ta bunkasa sosai a wannan fanni naku?
Gaskiya ina da buri sosai akan jaha ta kuma ina da buri sosai akan kasata.Buri na kullum shine inga cewa al’umma ta gaba daya suna zaune a cikin yanayi ingantacce ,da zai taimakesu su da amfanar lafiyarsu burina kullum inga jahar Kano ta zama ita ce jahar da tafi ko wace jaha tsafta da samun.ingantaccen wurin zama. Da hakan zai bada dama a samu ingantaccen lafiya, samun lafiya yana nufin mu kori dukkan cututtuka da suke iya yaduwa tsakanin mutum da mutum wannan shine burina akan jaha ta, hakanan ma shine burin na kasata.
Ina son na wayi gari inga cewa asibitoci suna zama ba kowa ana rufe su saboda rashin marasa lafiya shike nan jami’ai na suna yin aiki suna hutar da mutane wahalhalun da suke fuskanta, suna hutar da gwamnati wajen kashe kudi da take na yau da gobe, wajen sayen magunguna da ma’aikata suke yin aiki dasu.Su kan su mutanen da basu da lafiya,yanzu in baka da lafiya baza kazo wannan aikin da kake yanzu ba,,kaga an rasa wani abu a sakamakon rashin lafiyar ka, da bani da lafiya nima ba zanzo nan wurin ba.Saboda haka ne ita rashin lafiya wata abace wacce take tana da matsala sosai tana taba duk wani bangare na rayuwar mutane musamman ma a yanzu a halin da muke ciki na matsalar tattalin arzikin mu.
Hakika yana baya cikin wani yanayi kuma in aka ce an kara da ciwo ai abin zai zama ta Bahaushe inda yake cewa shege da hauka ke nan, to amma lafiyayyun mutane su suke bada gudummuw da za’a sami ingantaccen tattalin arziki, in.kowa yana da lafiya yana zaune lafiya to zai bada tasa gudummuwar a wajen aikin sa .kaga tattalin arziki ya karu. Kano.gari ne da kowa ya sani na kasuwa Allah ya hore mana kasuwanci a wannan jaha mai albarka.
Ga shi kuma muna da tsarin shugabanci, tunda mutanen kano suna da kokarin bin doka bana jin da akwai wani abu na alkhairi da ya taba zuwa Kano bai samu karbuwa ba. Kullum ni burina shi ne in ga Kano tafi ko wacce jaha ta samu matakin ci gaba, ko wacce shekara za kaga hukumomi da kungiyoyi suna kokari su ga wane gari ne yafi ko wanne gari lafiya wacce al’umma ce kuma tafi jin dadi. Shi ma al’amari na annashuwa da sauran su bama jin dadi in muka ji wadansu jahohin sun wuce mu, duk da dai kowa namu ne, a matsayin mu na shugabanni na kasa, amma dai in son samu ne zan fi so ace jaha ta ce. Wannan shine burina maganar gaskiya.
Wane irin matsaloline kake ganin in aka samu.gyara game dasu hakan zai inganta maku wannan aiki da kuke?
To gaskiya ba wata sana’a da aiki wadanda ba a fuskantar wasu matsaloli da kuma yadda ake fuskantar irin matsalolin babban abinda yafi damunmu shi ne, yadda muka samu kan mu a jami’an kiwon lafiya, amma muna da damuwa ta yanayin da gwamnati tafi maida hankali ta wajen samar da magani maimakon kare mutane daga samun ciwo.
Mu jami’ai ne na koda yaushe muyi kokarin kare mutane kar su sami ciwon wanda wannan abin kuma shine wanda kowa yake so, duk wani mutum ba yaso yayi rashin lafiya, ko wani nasa yayi rashin lafiya, baya son ya sami kansa a asibiti, ko da ma ace yaje duba wani ne.Wannan shi ne abinda yak an tayar da hankali, don haka sai muka sami kan mu a wani irin yanayi ban sani ba ko masu bada shawara ne ko kuma a’a wani abu ne can daban, Wanda kuma mu bamu fahimta ba sai kuma ga hankalin gwamnati dana manyan jami’anta yafi karkata da yaya za ayi a gina asibiti ko kuma a sayo magani.
Yanzu kamar yanda zazzabin cizon sauro yadda yake samun kowa musamman a wannan jaha ta ta Kano zaka yi mamakin yadda ake maganar gari ko’ina akwai kwata ta cushe, akwai shara amma kuma ana tunanin a rabawa mutane gidan sauro kamar shi ne maganin. bama kalubalantar raba gidan sauro amma a matsayin mu na masana mun san cewa raba gidan sauro a wannan yanayi da irin muhallin da muke ciki ba shine magani ba, lokacin da masallacin ka, da ofishinka, da wurin hirarka, da kasuwarka, suke da sauro cikin gidanka akwai sauro, a falonka da bandaki, minti ko awa zaka yi a cikin wannan gidan sauron kan sa kafarka ta fito daga cikin gidan sauronne.
zai fara gaisheka haka inka shiga bandaki.Hajiya tana shiga kicin sauro yana jiranta kana fita wajen harkarka kaje masallaci kowane lokaci sauro yakamata ace hankali ya karkata akan yaya zamu.gyara muhallin ta yanda zai zamanto cewa mun kori sauronnan tunda za’a iya korarsa tunda akwai kasashen da suka kore shi kuma muna da damar da zamu iya korar sa kuma abin mamaki shine kudin da zaka iya kashewa kayi wancan harkar inka dauko rabinsa ka saka a akan harkar kariya zai baka abinda kake so na dindindin wancan kuma wani dan lokaci ne muka fatar zamu samu damar da zamu haskawa gwamnati ta gane bada kariya ga lafiya shi ne yafi cancanta a bamu dama da jami’an mu cikin dan.kankanen lokaci rayuwar al’umma zata canza.
Lalle ne rayuwa zata sauya mu zama cikin muhalli mai tsafta kuma gwamnati zata rage kudaden gudanarwa a bangaren kula da.lafiya sosai, akan abinda ake kashewa, hakanan kuma shi tsarin mu tana tafiya da doka, wasu dokokin sun tsufa, sai anyi masu gyara daidai dana zamani, duk da yake gwamnatin Kano tayi kokari ta gyara wasu dokokin suna fata gwamnatoci a kasa baki daya zasu dauki matakiin gyara a jahohinsu. Abu na uku kuma shi nebangaren al’umma hadin kan mutane mu ma’aikata ne da muke mu’amala da mutane kai tsaye duk abinda zaka yi in baka da hadin kan al’umma maganar gaskiya ya dace mutane su gane ba lallai bane komai ya tafi daidai ba, wani abu ma da yake ci mana tuwo a kwarya shi ne yadda wasu mutanen suke fahimtar mu ba yadda ya dace ba wani lokacin, mu jami’an gwamnati ne duk abinda zamu yi, mu kan yi kokari mu ga muna yi a doron tsari da kuma abinda gwamnati ta tsara,to amma wani lokacin sai kaga laifin wani bangaren yana neman shafar ka, in kaje ma,kana kokarin ka yi magana ko ka fada kar ayi abinda bai dace ba, mutum sai ya fara” to me gwamnatin tayi mana”Wannan yaana da kyau mutane su fahimta,amma dai nuna fatan in Allah ya yarda da irin yanayin fadakarwa da ake samu da taimako na kafafen watsa labarai in ana samun dama ana fadakar da mutane in Allah ya yarda za’a samu canjin watarana.
Wane irin hadin kai kake so jami’an wannan kungiya su baka run daga matakin kasa zuwa jaha da kananan hukumomi domin sai da hadin kai ne ake iya cimma nasara?
A matsayina na shugaban wannan kungiya tamu na farko dai shugabanci al’umma akewa mabiya sune shugaba duk lokacin da aka zama shugaba abinda yakamata ka soma kalla suna mabiyanka abinda make roko shine hadin kan dukkan shugabanni na na jahohi suka kuma su sawa zuciyarsu cewa hadin-kammu shine zai bamu Samar cimma abinda muike nema Sai mun faru mun baiwa juna irin gudummuwarda da yakamata sannan ne zamu iya cimma burikanda mukasa a gaba.Abinda nake data shine a Allah ya bamu dama ya taimakemu ya hada zuciyoyimmu daga shugabanci da muka dashi na kananan hukumomi zuwa jahohi had shugabannin da make aiki tare dasu
Wanda Mike a matakin kasa kenan mutane ne da Allah ya hadamu a shugabanci akwai bambamcin akida da kabila da harshe kuma sana’aemu daya kuma yanzu ya hadamu wane domin aiki tare hadin Jammu shine zai bamu dama mu cimma abinda mukeso wannan shine abinda nafi fata kuma nake nema daga dukkan sshugabanni da masoya da sauran al’umma gaba daya.Kuma babban abinda nake nema taimako na Gwamnati kungiyace Bata fada da hukuma ba Sai dai ganin yaya zata hada-kai da gukuma wajen.ganin mun cimma abinda mukeso a cimma muna Neman taimakon.Gwamnati da Jami’ anta Dana al’ummar gari gaba daya domin aikimmu aikin mutane ne.
Yaya dangantakar ku take da shugabanin.kungiyar kwadago ta kasa?
Na farko ma dai zan.iya gaya maka shugaban kungiyar kwadago ta kasa Ayuba Wabba dan kungiyar tawa ne “profefessio” dinmu dayakuma yayi sakataren wannan kungiyar tawa kafin ya matsa ya gaba ma’ana ya tashi mutum dayane a tsakanina dashi bayan ya bar sakatare na kasa mutum daya ya hau Sanateriyan Adeyemi sannan Sai Dokta Sulaiman Tanko kafin in munada kyakkyawar alaka duk abinda muke nema daga kungiyar kwadago ta kasa banda ta kasa ma har tanan jahar Kano ma munada kyakkyawar alaka Kwamared Aminu Ado Minjibir ma shugan kwadagon munada kyakkyawar alaka dasihi kuma dukkammu ma’aikatan lafiya ne nuna yin abubuwa tare su nemi hadin Kansu su nemi namu in wani abu ya tso days kamaa munada kyakkyawar alaka sosai a tsakaninmu.
Da yake aikinku na Kate muhalline daga samuwar cuta duba da halinda ake ciki Na barazanar cutar Cobid 19 wane kira make dashi ga al’umma wajen daukar matakai domin kariyar kai?
Ni abinda nake gani a matsayin mu na jami’ai masu kula da tsafta da nuke kokarin kare al’umma daga kamuwa da cuta ko yada cutar korona ko mutum ya yadda ko bai yarda ba cutar nan gaskiya ce kuma akwai ta tana yaduwa kuma mun yi abinda ake cewa zuwan ta na farko mun rasa rayuka wasu sun yi rashin. A matsayin mu na masu kokarin kare yaduwar cutar ta hanyar samar da muhallin wanda ya dace, don haka ya zama dole mutane su yi amfani da dukkan matakai na kariya amfani da takunkumi, zaman tazara, wanke hannuwa lokaci zuwa lokaci al’umma ya dace su gane ba cutar dasu bane ake son yi.
Gwamnati bata da burin wanda ya wuce taga al’ummarta suna cikin koshin lafiya da walwala babu gwamnatin da take son ta bar mutum.daya ya tafi asibiti, don haka ne shi mutum har zai iya yin tunanin cewar, ai gwamnati ba tayi kaza ba shima ba zai yi kaza din ba, irin hakan yana jefa rayuwar sa cikin.hadari ne. Mu ba zamu.bari ba jami’ar mu ba zasu bari ba gaskiyar magana ita ce, yanzu ma abinda muke son gwamnati ta yarje mana domin jami’an mu su fita, su rika tabbatar da bin dokar kariya ta yadda in ba’a bin wannan dokar ba to gwamnati zata yi dokar da ta dace.Mune ya kamata mu fita mu tabbatar da ana bin doka a wajen taro da otel da kuma wurin sayar da abinci.
Wannan kuma shi zai sa in ba abin wannan dokar ba gwamnati za tayi hukuncin da ya dace domin wannan aikin mu ne mune ya dace mu fita mu tabbatar da ana bin dokar.
Nayi magana a wata kafa labarai kwanakin da duk da ba’a Arewacin Nijeriya bane nake maganar cewa yanzu ne lokacin da yakamata a rufe gari, “lock down” Duk da dai mutane basa son suji wannan kalma yanzu ne, lokacin domin a baya a makare aka yi “lock down din”. Ba zaka rufe gari bayan abinda muke kira “community transmission” ba.Idan ta riga ta shiga cikin al’umma to wannan na iya yadawa wancan, in ma ka rufe mu ka rufe mune, mu ci gaba, amma idan abin ya shigo cikin mu, mu ya dace mu hana yanzu. Gwamnati tana ta kokari ana yin abinda ake cewa “Community sampling” Muna tare ana daukowa ana”contact treading”In an sami mutum.daya da bashi da lafiya za’a bi aga da mutanen da ya yi mu’amala ne ai. Amma lokacin da kake da mutane 500 wadanda suka kamu da cutar, yaya zaka iya sanin mutum dubu.nawa ne suka yi mu’amala da mutane 500 a lokacin an shiga wannan wahalar ke nan .Shi yasa muke ta fatan cewa a wannan gabar a matsayin mu na jami’an kula da lafiya, da abinda muka iya shi ne yaya zamu kare al’umma daga kamuwa daga cutar, a wannan gabar shi ne ya kamata a rufe mutane har sai an dauki matakin da zamu iya maganinta.
Sai dai kuma wani hanzari wanda ba gudu ba shi ne idanhar ta kai ga fara yaduwa a cikin mutane, ba fa zamu iya ba gaskiya ce,kasashen da suka fi mu cigaba ma ai mun ga abinda ya faru dasu, kuma a yanzu haka akwai kasashen da sun shiga kulle duk da sun fimu cigaba domin ida har.ciwon ya kai ga fara yaduwa ba za su iya daukar matakin hana aukuwar hakan ba. Mun san da akwai wahalhalun.da mutane suke sha, baso muke a sake komawa cikin.wannan wahalar ba, muddin ana tare da al’ummar da kuma suke talakawa ne mafiya yawancin mu amma dai abinda ya cancanta ayi shi to dole ne fa ayi shi, saboda ai yana cikin tsarin mulkin kasa hakkin gwamnati ne kare lafiya, rayuka da kuma dukiyoyin mutane ba zai yiwu abar mutum wanda bai da lafiya ba saboda wani al’amari can daban.
Daga karshe maganar a kyale ai ta hakan ne cutar take samun damar yadawa wancan, ko kana so ko baka so gwamnati zata dauki mataki wannan shi ne abinda muka kalla, kiran da muke shi ne al’umma su bada hadin-kai, wannan ya zama dole abu ne sai fa mun dage dole ne mu bada hadin-kai mu yi abinda ya kamata na jami’an lafiya. Abi dokoki da kuma ka’idojin da da doka ta shimfida, abinda suka ce ayi -ayi duk lokacin da aka ce ana zargin mutane su daina yanke hukunci bana so inji an ce an samu mai cutar Korona a cikin mutane wannan ba daidai bane. Saboda kuwa ko dai ma jami’in lafiya ba zai kalle ka yace kana dauke da cuta haka da haka ba.Mutane su daina amfani da wannan kalmar wannan ciwon a sanar da mutane ma’aikatan da suka dace, ina mai addu’a da fatan Allah ya kawo mana karshen.wannan masifar ta annobar Korona.
